---start---- anesth 4/14 perkowski hypotension, CV depression for those of you who were here yesterday, we were talking about recognizing cardiovascular depression. the pros/cons of auscultation vs doppler flow vs oscillometric measuring devices were discussed. what about direct measurement of arterial wave form with arterial line and transducer? gives continuous, accurate information if used correctly, allows you to visualize the wave form and allows ready access for arterial blood sampling. downside: it's invasive, requires skill and can be expensive depending on your transducer. point: depending on where you are looking at the waveform, it can change - the aorta, the femoral artery, the dorsal pedal artery - all are different. more distally the wave starts later, which makes sense, and it increases in amplitude and gets more narrow - for reasons of physics - if you put pulse wave through a tapered tube, it increases in amplitude as it goes along the tube, and also you get summation of the waveform - as arterial pulses move out, each time it reaches a branch part of it is reflected, and the reflected wave adds on to the original waveform, so more distally the amplitude is increased for this reason as well. other things - dampening, harmonics, frequencies - who cares, just know that it changes. normally if you look at dorsal pedal artery, 80% of that is reflected waveforms. if you increase vascular resistance, the % reflected increases, and amplitude increases more. so be aware that things aren't the same all the way through the body. it depends where you are measuring. also on the size of the catheter. in horses, arterial catheters are placed often in facial artery. also can be on transverse facial a (branch of carotid), or in metatarsal. we use the head more b/c it usually is easier to reach. in cows and pigs and sheep, we often put the a line in the auricular artery (ear). in dogs, sometimes we do that in dachsunds which have long ears and short legs. in dogs/cats usually we use the dorsal metatarsal artery or sometimes a cutdown on a femoral artery. cats are hard to get a lines in b/c they spasm. so you get the line in and you get lots of information. you can see waveform, can run it along with your EKG and see what is going on. now, we do not always have fancy transducers. you can use an extension set of tubing hooked to the catheter with a hand held pressure gauge thing. all the monitors in the world aren't helpful if you do not know what htey mean. why is the patient hypotensive? it can't contract heart? it's dehydrated? it's vasodilated? you have to know. look at waveforms. normal waveform - pulse pressure is difference b/w diastolic and systolic pressures. pulse pressure gives info on stroke volume (directly related) and arterial compliance - if artery isn't compliant, upstroke will be sharp; if it is, there will be a slower upstroke. in systole, volume moves out into arterial bed, extending the elastic arteries, then blood moves through and arteries snap back, creating the dicrotic notch on the downstroke of the pressure wave. depending on peripheral resistance, diastolic pressure may fall off more betwen each pulse. mean pressure depends on CO and SVR, and is always closer to diastolic than systolic pressure. decreased CO causes decreased mean pressure, decreased rate of rise of pulse wave, prolongation of inotropic phase (from start to peak of upstroke) and decreased pulse pressure. decreased SVR (vasodilation) - increased rate of rise due to less afterload - inotropic phase is shorter, pulse wave is narrowed, your dicrotic notch comes further down on pulse wave or disappears, and pulse pressure increases since diastolic pressure is lower. normal, hypertensive patient: increased CO, increased SV, increased SVR - you see this when the patient is a little light, lots of SNS stimulation. systolic, diastolic and mean pressure all above normal. upstroke is rapid, dicrotic notch occurs early in diastole. hyperkinetic, bounding - increased CO and SV, decreased SVR post vasodilator, sepsis, AV shunts systolic pressure is increased, diastolic and mean pressures are decreased b/c resistance is down. pulse pressures are increased. the rate of rise and descent are rapid, and dicrotic notch is low or absent. you see this with AV shunts too - here is a slide from a PDA puppy where you see that after the PDA is tied off, the pulse wave changes drastically. this is like what you would see if a patient was very vasodilated and then returned to normal. hypokinetic, thready pulses - decreased CO, SV; increased SVR b/c body tries to maintain BP. systolic, diastolic and mean pressures lower than normal pulse pressure decreased. upstroke slow, prolonged dicrotic notch higher than normal or normal rapid heart rate, decreased diastolic phase seen with shock, myocardial depression that's all fine but we're not going to always have this information. you have to palpate pulses. you need to start feeling the pulses in between each wave also, to see what goes on in between. thready pulses - small pulse pressures, peripheral constriction - if shocky, mean pressure also will be low - won't feel artery well between beats. but if you are vasoconstricted b/c a vasopressor is on board you will feel a hard rigid tube beneath your finger between pulses. a bounding pulse probably means you are dilated or dry. volume status: changes in arterial pressure or wave form - what else can you look at? if you have an oscillometric device giving you systolic, diastolic and mean pressures, look at diastolic pressures - if those are really low, say 30, but systolic is ok - that may mean that you have a big runoff b/w each beat, and your patient is vasodilated or hypovolemic. positional changes - moving patient from lateral to dorsal - if this causes pressure drop, animal may be dilated or dry - you've just reduced the venous return by pressing on vena cava. if large changes in BP occur with changes in position patient likely to be dilated or dry. also positive pressure ventilation - each time you give a breath, if a pulse wave goes away, you are really affective venous return with each breath - patient is dilated or dry. can also look at central venous pressure CVP - cath jug vein, measure right atrial filling. CVP will drop with vasodilation or dehydration. also you can look at PCV/TS, urine SG, BUN. contractility assessment: look at changes in waveform, pulse pressure. when contractility isn't so great - slow upstroke, kind of prolonged. when contractility improves, gets steeper, faster. can auscult for changes. use esophageal stethescope. as heart beats better or worse the sounds change. CVP can also change with changes in contractility - heart doing good job sucks blood from venous side to arterial side. if heart fails to suck as much blood out, CVP will increase. adequate BP doesn't guarantee adequate tissue perfusion - animal could be severely hypovolemic and vasoconstriction. volume is really important (but don't overload them - CHF) most common cause of hypotension in anesthesia is inadequate volume due to preop deficits, bleeding, or not enough fluids given to compensate for increased losses during sx. fluid therapy: IV is optimal - here, we always place an IV for anesthesia. you really must do this, you must have IV access for emergencies, at least. rate of administration depends on the case. volume also depends on the case and the ongoing losses. maintenance fluid rates in anesthetized patients are more than in awake. awake: 2-4 ml/kg/hr mild sx trauma: additional 2-4 ml/kg/hr (eg, quick lumpectomy) mod sx trauma: additional 4-6 ml/kg/hr (eg, spay) severe sx trauma: additional 8 ml/kg/hr (eg, intestinal anastomosis) surgical maintenance fluid rates: 6-12 ml/kg/hr in small animals, frequently we give 12-24 ml/kg/hr for the first hour to make up for preop losses. at least 10 ml/kg/hr. this is easier in small animals. large animals are bigger, need more fluid faster. also - blood losses may occur. normal blood volumes: dog 90 ml/kg cat 60 ml/kg horse 90-100 ml/kg allowable blood losses - people say you can lose 15% of your blood before you hve to replace it, but it depends on what is going on with the patient in the first place. shock rates of fluid - you dilute out the normal blood volume by giving one isotonic blood volume in an hour. so dog shock rate is 90 ml/kg/hr. type of fluid - 0.9% NaCl, LRS, etc. very similar, minor differences. remember that the fluid you give isn't all going to stay in the vessels. some will, and some will equilibrate with extravascular space. so when you give crystalloids to replace blood, you must give 3 ml crystalloid for every ml blood you are replacing. colloids - hespan, hetastarch, dextran - larger molecules in fluids, tend to keep fluid in intravascular space. if you have a patient with a very low TP and you are trying to give a lot of volume, crystalloids will dilute out the protein and cause more fluid shift into extravascular space. so you would consider colloid administration. if you have to get volume in quickly - colloids can be given 1 ml per 1 ml of blood loss since it stays in vessels. so you use it in emergencies, and with low TP animals. another colloid you could give is plasma. this is a nice colloid but the problem with it is hard to get in large volumes, and it doesn't stay in the vessels as long as the synthetics do - but it offers a lot of valuable proteins for coagulation and so forth. packed cells and whole blood are also options. treatment of cardiovascular depression: you've replaced your volume, your pressure still sucks. now what? adjust the depth of anesthesia first. flush your circuit with O2. remember we said that the inhalants we use have a direct effect on arterial pressure. lightening the plane of anesthesia should offer some improvement in pressure. in small animals, it is easy to flush them out and let them wake up a bit and you can hold them down - but a horse you can't let it wake up at all because it can really hurt someone (you) or hurt itself. horses you have to use pressors. also you can try changing from inhalant to injectable anesthesia - opioids are nice to the cardiovascular system, although can cause vagally mediated bradycardia (treatable with atropine, glycopyrrolate) - except demerol, morphine =- these cause histamine release, may worsen the pressure. esp in dogs do not give meperidine (demerol) IV. horses aren't as prone to this as dogs are but can get excited from opioids, plus require large doses and can cost a lot. but sometimes you can used a mixed technique in horses. etomidate - IV hypnotic agent used in small animals more than horses b/c it is very expensive. in dogs, can use this, causes almost no change in HR or MAP. we'd use it more if it cost less or had fewer other effects. ketamine - in general considered to be sparing of cardiovascular system but remember this is due to catecholamine release - causes increased HR, increased or same MAP. in sick cats/dogs, worry about too much ketamine unmasking direct negative inotropic effects. in horse, you are kind of out of options. colic horses often induced with ketamine. benzos like valium are also cardiovascular sparing so you can mix them with ketamine. also you can try to lighten the animal up a bit and use an NMBA like atracurium (cis atracurium to prevent histamine release), vecuronium (in ICU, bypass patients), pancuronium (most often for eye procedures in small animals; is vagolytic and produces tachycardia) also: correct electrolyte abnormalities change body position (tilt head down) treat arrhythmias what are we doing when we put patient on pressure support? manipulating SNS. a1 receptors on peripheral vessels cause arterial and venous constriction - more on arterial. a2 receptors cause more venous constriction, some arterial. beta1 receptors on heart increase rate, contractility. beta2 receptors cause vasodilation and bronchodilation (?) how we use sympathomimetic amines: phenylephrine: alpha agonist - vasopressor. we use a lot of this. remember, one problem is we have decreased sympathetic tone and vasodilation in anesthetized patients. blasting with fluids and waking patient up a bit isn't always good enough so phenylephrine is used to support pressure. it comes in a 10 mg ampule, you stick it in a 250 ml fluid bag and drip it to effect. don't use as a bolus - could increase BP too much and decrease HR, or stop heart. "to effect" means that you get off the knee of the curve, get your pressure up into 60s/low 70s. phenylephrine causes arterioconstriction and some venoconstriction. be careful - if patient is dry, don't give a pressor, because you cut off blood flow. in general, if used judiciously, works really well. in horses, again, you worry about myopathy, neuropathy, peripheral perfusion - ensure good hydration. used in colic cases a lot. if phenylephrine isn't working or HR is low to start with, you can use epinephrine to get some B1 and B2 effects with your alpha effect. epi has mixed a and b effects. at low doses to effect, beta effects predominate. when you bolus it in to tx cardiac arrest, alpha effects predominate. it depends on dose. anyway, this works well, esp in some septic patients. HR increases, systolic pressure increases norepinephrine - not used as much - causes large increases in SVR. will increase BP nicely but also large increase in SVR and can cut off blood supply to kidneys or something. remember norepi has no beta2 effects and epi does. dobutamine - fascinating drug. a beta1 agonist with some beta2 activity. at NBC they use a lot of this. 1-10 ug/kg/min. horses - if you use .5-1 ug/kg/min you see pulse wave change, increased contractility, increased pressure, increased HR, huge BP effect. often used with phenylephrine. in small animals, often you see HR increase but BP drops. dogs are less responsive to this drug. you must give about 5 ug/kg/min before you see an effect, and effect is frequently tachycardia. why? different sensitivity of canine beta2 receptors? isoproteronol - not used much. pure beta agonist with no alpha effects. "isoprokillemall" - because of beta1 effect, you increase HR, but because of beta2 effect, you decrease SVR, you get a decreased BP and reflex tachycardia. dobutamine in dogs kind of acts like isoproteronol. dopamine - another interesting drug with different effects at different doses. low doses - renal dose dopamine - dopaminergic effect of renal vasodilation and some dilation of mesenteric and coronary vessels. as dose increases to 3-10 ug/kg/min you start seeing beta effects - binds b1 and b2 receptors, causing increased HR and contractility. over 10 ug/kg/min you start seeing alpha effects with vasoconstriction. so effect is highly dose dependent. so - if animal is not peeing well - foal in ICU - they give a bit of dopamine to increase renal blood flow, that doesn't work, you give more dopamine, increase CO, maybe it will help. we don't use it that much, some other schools do. in small animals, usually we don't really need anything unless the animal is really sick - and dopamine's effects depend a bit on norepi release, so not good in sick animals. ephedrine - has some mild direct beta effects but primarily acts indirectly by causing catecholamine (norepi) release from nerve terminal. generally give ephedrine as a bolus, takes a few minutes to work, you get alpha and beta effects for 5-10 min until norepi is taken back up. not used that much here but at NBC is used b/c you may anesthetize a horse and it's lying on its back and waiting for surgery and the surgeon isn't ready yet - what do you do? you have horse anesthetized, you don't have any surgical stimulation - can give some ephedrine to buy some time. vasopressors: alpha agonists: phenyleprhine, epi, dopamine, norepi, methoxamine (not used, some beta effect) inotropes: beta1 agonists: epi, dopamine, dobutamine anticholinergics: atropine, glycopyrrolate (small animals better, horse - worry about ileus) phosphodiesterase inhibitors - used very rarely - amrinone, etc - increase cAMP levels and contractility calcium - use if animal is hypocalcemic, hyperkalemic, hypermagnesemic, or on aminoglycosides. be careful - hypercalcemia can make ischemia reperfusion injury a lot worse. blocked hyperkalemic cat - often tx with calcium. ---break--- soma congratulations. you did well on the exam. if you got under 70, you are failing. there will be a review session prior to the final. usually it is the day before. this year the exam is on thursday. regarding the essay - you had to say that the major difference between the drugs was the method of administration if you wanted to get a really good grade - that was how to get his attention. if you just explained how one worked, and then how the other one worked,that wasn't good enough b/c it didn't demonstrate thinking, it just demonstrated giving back the material discussed in class. you had to say specifically that the only difference was the method of drug delivery. anyway - acid base balance is the topic for today. the goal is to be able to read a strip of CO2,O2, pH, bicarb, BE, O2sat results, and say "oh, i know what the problem is and I know what to do!" there are some other things to explain too, but this is the basic goal. look at blood gas results and come up with rational diagnosis and treatment plan. henderson-hasselbach equation - pH =pK + log HCO3/CO2*solubility usually pKa is 6.1 - that's pretty much a constant for the hydration of CO2 and ionization of H2CO3. HCO3 is actual bicarbonate in mEq/L PCO2 is partial pressure of CO2 in mmH S = solubility of CO2 in plasma (0.03) changes in pH and acid base balance can be due to addition or subtraction of CO2. hyperventilation --> respiratory alkalosis ; hypoventilation --> resp acidosis. additions of fixed acids or bases can also cause changes in pH and acid/base balance - exercise --> lactic acidosis --> metabolic acidosis changes in pH can also be due to changes in both fixed or respiratory components. pH of 7.1 = severely acidotic, acidemia normal = 7.35-7.42 what causes this? an infusion of acid could do this. retention of CO2 could do this. you don't know what the problem is just from the pH. could be metabolic, respiratory, or mixed. pH of 6.9 is extremely low. animal could have a pH this low and survive, but you have to do something. CO2 and bicarbonate. when a gas dissolves in a liquid, the concentration is directly proportional to its partial pressure. this represents the PaCO2 equilibration of CO2 in plasma: CO2 + H2O <=> H2CO3 <=> HCO3 + H PCO2 * S = dissolved CO2 + H2CO3 therefore [something - he changed the slide] pure respiratory acidosis if you fix your bicarb - say you have bicarb of 24, and PCO2 of about 40, what's your pH going to be? 7.4 if you deviate from this by adding or subtracting bicarb or CO2, you will change the pH. so, with the bicarb fixed, any change in pH results from changes in CO2. changes in pH related to CO2 if you fix the bicarbonate at 24, and add CO2, you develop a pure respiratory acidosis - with a PCO2 around 80, pH is about 7.1 if you remove CO2 with bicarbonate fixed, you get a pure respiratory alkalosis - with pCO2 of 20, pH is 7.7 ok, now, how about changing the bicarb? if you increase bicarb to 32 meq/L, you move the curve to the alkaline side - now, if you vary the CO2, you can have a mixed acid base disturbance - with the curve shifted you have metabolic alkalosis and either a respiratory alkalosis or acidosis - this is the combination of adding fixed base and moving the CO2 around. if you add acid so that bicarb is down to 16 meq/L, you have a metabolic acidosis,with respiratory acidosis or alkalosis. pH - HCO3 diagram - see handout! the thing is split into quadrants. the big line is a pCO2 isobar where pCO2 = 40. anything along that line has a pCO2 of 40. if you move to either side you create a respiratory acidosis (if you increase the CO2) or alkalosis (if you decrease CO2). if you move along one of the lines, you have a pure disturbance. everything in the quadrants is a mixed disturbance. if dr soma put kirsten on a ventilator and maintained her pCO2 at 40 and then infused HCL, she'd move down the metabolic acidosis line. so how do you interpret mixed disturbances? check out the nifty pH - HCO3 diagram with PCO2 isobars and buffer curves. woops - the pointer died. hmmm hmmm. Tripp is donating his umbrella to the cause. would this happen at cornell. if your pCO2 is 20 mmHg, and your pH is about 7.48, you have a respiratory alkalosis and metabolic acidosis, even though the pH is near normal. this is probably some compensatory mechanism at work here, but you don't know which came first...underlying respiratory problem with compensatory acdosis or underlying metabolic problem and compensatory hyperventilation. usually you do not compensate to as great a degree as there is on the graph, but this is just to get the idea. if your pH is acid, there is an acidemia. you don't know what the acid base disturbance is. if you have pH 7.1 and pCO2 80, you have a respiratory acidosis. there may be a metabolic component though - you need to know what the bicarb is. unless of course you memorize the graph. slide: graphic representation of respiratory compensation: if you follow the lines, you can see how you can get a metabolic acidosis, and then hyperventilate to compensate that and develop a respiratory alkalosis, and have a normal pH of 7.4 - but there is still an acid base disturbance. usually it doesn't balance out exactly, you just have a less severe metabolic alkalosis, but it is still a mixed acid base disturbance where you develop a second disturbance in response to a primary disturbance. if you take this animal and anesthetize it, it will then end up with a worse problem, because it will stop hyperventilating, will accumulate more CO2, and will be more acidotic. if you then choose to hyperventilate the animal, you can correct the pH and you still have a metabolic acidosis with respiratory alkalosis compensation. to fix the acidosis, give some bicarb. again - note that from the graph alone, you can't tell if the primary problem is the metabolic one or the respiratory one. you need history to figure that out. this stuff is fairly clear...it's not difficult <-- dr soma, quote of the day in vivo vs ex vivo buffer curves: look at the normal buffer slope - when accumulating CO2, you are getting acidotic, and bicarb is going up. why is bicarb going up? also pH is going down - you are getting more acidotic. moving from pCO2 of about 20 to 80 you go from bicarb of about 20 to 26 and a pH of about 7.6 to 7.2 so, if you have high CO2 you have respiratory acidosis. that is the definition of respiratory acidosis. so why is bicarb going up? henderson hasselbach... in vitro if you equilibrate blood and CO2 you get a straight line - no curve - because there is no buffer system. in vitro, you take CO2 and mix with H2O, you get H+ and HCO3+ and the H+ goes into RBCs to get buffered, and bicarb goes into extracellular compartment to buffer changes at the cellular level. so there is a small increase in bicarb b/c red cells are a major buffer for H+ and bicarb moves into extracellular compartment - out of blood, into interstitium. what happens to CO2? it moves into RBCs where it meets carbonic anhydrase, becomes bicarb and H+, H+ stays in RBC, bicarb moves out into plasma, and then into extravascular compartments. but you have a respiratory acidosis with a slight increase in bicarb. this confuses people but try to remain calm. ---end---